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pamelaareynolds
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Posted: Sun Nov 12th, 2006 08:32 pm |
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Dave's posted some information about this - go into the History Club area!:)
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pamelaareynolds
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Posted: Sun Nov 12th, 2006 06:27 pm |
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I'm going to quote this request in the history forum - that's going to be an area of the chat board frequented (we hope) by local historians and people who can contribute to the knowledge of Saltaire. It's been started off by Dave Shaw (THE Dave Shaw of Balgarnie's Salt, with commentary by Barlo and Shaw) who republished the biography of Sir Titus Salt written by his friend and contemporary, Rev. Robert Balgarnie. You can buy the book in Salt's Mill and order it from Dave on this site. If you come along to the history club (which will meet every quarter, first meeting next Thursday 16 Nov in the Exhibition Building, Shipley College) - Dave Shaw can be collared to book sign (I got mine signed by Barlo and Shaw!!!)
Just read your blog as well -- hope your father-in-law doesn't read it - it will spoil his surprise. And as for the broody thing - we have 3 month old Jack Oliver in our family and I can only tell you that he is just wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. His mum (my lovely daughter, Elizabeth) and his dad (my son-in-law, Lee - who is fab) are completely smitten. It's not a cliche. Children are a blessing! (Your blog is fantastic, by the way!)
Pamela
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The Birches
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Posted: Sun Nov 12th, 2006 08:05 am |
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I thought of entering a new topic called "Who's been living in my house?" -- with a slight tip of the hat to Robert Southey, the poet laureat who wrote the famous children's story, the 'Three Bears' -- but then i decided against it. Ha! (laughs) :D But my question still remains. Does anyone know how i might go about researching who has lived in the house we currently live in? I often wonder as I sit here what the walls have been witness to. When people visit us they often comment that it's a lovely, friendly house and i'm just curious. You often hear of days gone by where it was common to have that a house full of people and i'm just wondering if that was true of ours?
Talking of childrens stories: at the recent Saltaire Festival it was my priviledge to listen to Saviour Pirotta telling stories to children and adults. I spoke with him afterwards and he mentioned that he lives locally. So, to all those parents out there, I heartily recommend that if you get an opportunity take your children along to one of his storytelling sessions (or treat your children to one of his many books) do so, because his tales really captivate the imagination!! :)
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ruthtiles
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Posted: Thu Oct 26th, 2006 08:15 pm |
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| hello everyone, if anyone who's commented has any photos of themselves that they wouldnt mind me having that would be much appreciated- its basically for a sheet i'm doing for architecture regarding local opinion and input, thanks again :)
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ruthtiles
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Posted: Tue Oct 17th, 2006 08:43 pm |
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thank you everyone for all your feedback, will definitely keep you updated! if anyone who has left comments or opinions would be interested in sending me a photo of themselves, I could include you in my project research which would be great, if not, thank you for all your help anyway and will keep in touch!
thanks, ruth :) (email address: ara04rl@shef.ac.uk)
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Pamela Reynolds
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 07:13 pm |
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That sounds great Ruth. Things like this make the site truly interactive. It's a newish site (did I mention that before) - and it's gaining momentum because people are supporting it. FAB!
I'm really pleased you're getting something out of this. It's my intention realised.
Would absolutely love to follow your progress. I can remember how hard student life can be (at least it was for me!) - so I imagine you'll be desperately busy. If you can find the time to keep us up to date - that would be tremendous. It's such an interesting project. I'll note down your private email address as well - so if something comes along which might be of particular interest to you - I'll send you info.
Hope it's a fine day next time you're in Saltaire. Don't work too hard.
Pamela
Last edited on Mon Oct 16th, 2006 07:15 pm by Pamela Reynolds
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ruthtiles
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 05:39 pm |
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Also, with regards to a suggestion about an article, was thinking if you'd be interested, I could collate a selection of Saltaire projects from our group (it's a project that will lead us up to christmas, so individual designs won't come into play until all our site analysis is finished). It's really interesting seeing everyone's different interpretations of the same site, and the group has several different sites spread out across Saltaire. We also tend to have a degree show at the end of the year, which will include approx 20 design projects based in Saltaire, so will keep you updated if you ever happen to pass by Sheffield!
Just let me know if that was the kind of thing you were looking for, thanks Pamela :)
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ruthtiles
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 05:30 pm |
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I have to admit, I did not know that Dave is the Dave Shaw, what a legacy! Dave, do you actually own a horse???
Thank you for all your suggestions, especially as to the suggestion of a revival of the textiles community, and more landscaping for people to sit and relax. i'd agree here as there seemed to be little room to sit and have lunch apart from the river. I'm meeting with my tutor tomorrow to suggest that a lot of your ideas are encorporated within my design, am largely intent on designing:
An integrated community, combining accommodation for textiles arts and crafts workers as well as organic allotment growers, small independantly owned shops selling local produce and local art, a rebuilt social club and outdoor space for children, as well as further landscaping to provide an outdoor area for everybody.
Will keep you updated on my project, thank you for all your feedback and will also let you know when we descend upon your village again! Please keep rambling away, as it's making my project come alive :)
my direct email is ara04rl@shef.ac.uk, so if anyone feels strongly about anything feel free to get in touch, if not i'll continue to check the board regularly.
ruth :)
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 01:51 pm |
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Hey Ruth
Did you know that Dave Shaw is THE Dave Shaw, co-author of Balgarnie's Salt - the reprinted book with commentary and additions by Barlo and Shaw! It's a great book if you want to capture the essence of Saltaire and its cultural legacy- and you can order it from this site!!! :)
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DaveShaw
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 01:34 pm |
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Hi Ruth. I attach a photo of the Sunday School exterior; it doesn't do justice to the building. The better photos that I have are not where I am at present - I will be able to email them to you next Monday.
Further thoughts on what could/ should be built (notwithstanding this being a paper exercise in a sense)....The two things that have been lost from Saltaire's heritage (apart from individual buildings) are its textile production and its textile community (largely). Recovering the original community is not a realisitic aspiration, but something could be done to enable visitors to Saltaire to see something of the original production process.
A museum run by the local authority is not the answer - it's my impression that Bradford Council struggles to adequately fund its current commitments. So one looks to other enterprises. If you look at the UK distribution of National Trust ventures they are skewed towards the southern half of the country. The NT has substantial revenues, and has recently diversified into less traditional heritage preservation (eg The Workhouse project).
I think there is a good case for the NT having a presence in Saltaire which would provide some office facilities for them (a plus for local employment); some heritage feature (eg recreate demonstrations of textile production in the UK's largest textile heritage production centre, using orignal 19th century machinery); and an allied craft centre for modern day craft workers. All incorporated in a rebuilt Sunday School - a big recovery for the World Heritage site.
Am stopping now to feed the hobby horse.
Dave
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shopgirl
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 09:46 am |
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Hi Ruth
You're the qualified architect of tomorrow though! It's a nice exercise just to ponder on what we'd like to happen - even if it's just on paper. I really hate the Caroline Street social club building - it's horrible - though it's popular and gets used. That could certainly be redesigned - it just doesn't fit in with the rest of the Village. I think that an area for market gardeners to sell their produce would be fantastic - there are apples rotting on trees down at the allotments - it would be lovely to see tomatoes and apples being sold. Maybe people could do their crafty type things - there are so many creative people in the Village. There's a farmers' market held in the car park every month - but it's organised by Bradford Council - so something local, like a free for all - grab your stall, type of thing - would be good!
I think as well there aren't enough places to sit and ponder life (and the fantastic buildings) - benches, gardens - even Roberts Park could be more accommodating for people to sit and rest. Saltaire could have more of a cafe al fresco culture, perhaps? What about something really exotic - like an open air swimming pool? or somewhere to convert into an ice rink in the winter, like they do in Leeds City Centre. That would be really festive. And a special place to put up a big Christmas tree with lights and carol singing - Titus Salt was a Christian, so he would have enjoyed Christmas. I love festive times - plus it 's a big draw to people to come into the village in winter and keep our businesses going.
The playgound at the bottom of Baker Street is a bit drab - that could be really brightened up and reorganised. It's a nice spot - and serves local people well - they can watch their children play because the yards round here aren't that big - but it's definitely a bit barren.
Enjoyed this ramble. Good luck with your 3rd year Ruth. Keep us informed won't you?
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ruthtiles
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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 04:44 pm |
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| ps. this isn't a project that will actually built, unfortunately i'm a lowly third year and not quite at that stage yet!
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ruthtiles
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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 04:41 pm |
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Hello everyone,
Thanks so much for the quick replies!
I visited Saltaire again yesterday but unfortunately didnt have a chance to check the noticeboard till today, I did have cake from the organic shop though and sat by the river :)
Roger Clarke also got back to me and was really helpful, letting me know about the women's boycotts for example regarding the baths! I also went to the Shipley College Resoucre Centre, they were really helpful and we managed to get hold of some really interesting maps, one of which has the footprint of the Sunday School that Dave mentioned. The allotments appear to have been firmly established from over 100 years back, and I'm guessing they are still an integral part of village life? I also had a look around the working men's social club, and they were really friendly. They seemed keen to retain a place where they could meet and socialise.
Would it be possible for you to send me some photocopies or scans of the 19th century photos of the sunday school Dave? Your suggestions are really interesting, thank you so much. I would like to stay sympathetic to the site, but at the same time provide something that would be modern, sustainable and beneficial to the rest of the village.
What would be a successful community development for the area? It seems that there are quite a few community centres in the area. As a few suggestions, better facilities for a social club/ more organic shops allowing allotment growers to sell some of their produce/ nursery facilities/ workshops/community studio spaces?
Also, is the St John's ambulance building still in use?
My project is still in the very initial stages, and am trying to get as much local input into it before I design something as possible. I feel really strongly towards user participation, as oppose to architects just lumping something on a site for the sake of it! Thank you for suggesting an article about the project, I'll try and get a few things together but at the moment it's very much in the research and site visiting stage!
Hope to hear from you soon,
thank you! Ruth :)
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DaveShaw
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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 11:41 am |
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Hi. Interesting project you've got, and I wish you well with it.
A building that was demolished near the area you are concerned with was the Sunday School - a large, superb Lockwood and Mawson gem of a building.
You may ask why is that of interest in terms of your project to design residential accommodation for 30 people? Answer: if you look at old photographs of the Sunday School interior (which dated from 1876) you will see that it was designed with multiple classroom "cells" leading off from an open, common area. It's a theme that lends itself naturally to design for other types of occupancy.
Your project could be based on perfect replication of the exterior of the old Sunday School, with an interior sympathically transformed to your requirements? And it could perhaps be made fully compliant with planning constraints in the World Heritgae Site??
I have 19th century photographs that could be used should you be interested. Good luck, Dave
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pamelaareynolds
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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 04:00 pm |
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Hi Ruth
Thanks so much for using the chat board! It's quiet at the moment, but this is the sort of use it can be put to.
Do you know about Shipley College Resource Centre - to be found in Shipley College on Exhibition Road, Saltaire? The staff there are lovely - and perhaps they can help you with the history. Also, local historians, writers, Tour Guides - may be helpful in answering questions or giving your project some publicity. The Saltaire Sentinel's Editor is James Duncan, email sentineleditor@saltairevillage.info - also there's Roger Clarke - local writer/historian and Tour guide - email rogerclarke@saltairevillage.info
Would you like to put an article about your project on this site? If you send me the information, images - whatever, I'd be happy to publish it on this site - it might reach a wider audience and hopefully, you would get responses.
I'll have a think about your project as well - and give some feedback - for what it's worth! We live on Baker Street - and the allotments are just about at the bottom of our street.
Good luck - and I hope to hear from you.
Pamela [Pamela Reynolds, webmaster-bottlewasher]
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ruthtiles
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Posted: Wed Oct 11th, 2006 05:00 pm |
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| Also, this might be a great opportunity to get some community input, any help would be much appreciated thanks!
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ruthtiles
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Posted: Wed Oct 11th, 2006 04:54 pm |
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Hello all :)
My name's Ruth, and I'm a third year architecture student currently studying at the University of Sheffield. About 15 of us advanced upon your village a few days ago, as we;ve been set a project in the area. This is to design accomodation for 30 people as well as a communal space. My chosen site lies just next to the saltmill, between the school and the railway. There are a variety of allotments there as well as a social club.
If anyone has any information or simply an opinon that might be of use regarding the area, that would be much appreciated! For example:
historical facts
community issues
sustainable issues
redevelopment
What would you like to see in the area? Is there anything that Saltaire has lost (I heard the local baths were knocked down) that you would like to see rebuilt again? What does the area need in terms of a community based housing project?
Would be really grateful for your help, thank you muchly!
Ruth x
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